Wednesday, December 26, 2007

Creationism vs. Evolution

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Evidence for Evolution http://talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/ The only reason creationism and evolution are at odds is because religious fundamentalists have decided that they have ALL the answers to EVERYTHING, despite virtually unanimous consensus among scientists as to the validity of evolution. The Wedge document (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy), a widely circulated 1998 internal memo laid out Discovery's original, ambitious plan to "drive a wedge" into the heart of "scientific materialism," "thereby divorcing science from its purely observational and naturalistic methodology and reversing the deleterious effects of evolution on Western culture." The two governing goals of the Wedge document are: * To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies * To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God

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Japeth555 ::: Favorites  2007-12-05 16:39:07

he did die. when u die you either go to heavan or hell. Since Jesus bore our sins to the cross, he died, went to hell for 3 days and rose again
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kubush ::: Favorites  2007-12-05 00:39:51

"This cannot be grasped if you are not willing to believe something you cannot explain." It cannot be grasped because it doesnt make any sense. Like you said, its a paradox.
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kubush ::: Favorites  2007-12-05 00:38:34

To die is to cease to exist. God cannot cease to exist therefore he never died. Even if his body ceased to function he was still alive(somehow)...so he didnt die.
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grn8r ::: Favorites  2007-12-04 20:44:11

Christianity is full of paradoxes. Jesus was fully God and fully man. How can that be? God is bigger than our minds can comprehend and is outside of the dimensions that we are confined to. Christ died and rose again because he is man yet fully God. This cannot be grasped if you are not willing to believe something you cannot explain.
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Japeth555 ::: Favorites  2007-12-04 19:50:30

he did die. but he rose again.
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adr150 ::: Favorites  2007-12-04 19:15:37

I agree there would be a difference between evolution and the god of abraham, but there are many interpretations of what God "is". Certainly for people who subscribe to a personal God (to a certain extent, myself, and many Christians) there is a reconciliation. This in no way diminishes my adamant support for science in general and evolution in particular.
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kubush ::: Favorites  2007-12-04 17:22:36

Faith is simply there to answer those questions that science has YET to answer. It is a temporary fill-in. Faith is for those that arent humble to that which we dont know or understand yet. It is for those that want answers now, no matter whether they are complete BS or not.
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kubush ::: Favorites  2007-12-04 17:19:18

"Fundamentally science will not be able to say where the first matter from which the big bang started came from." How do you know that science wont eventually find the answer? Of course science doesnt have all the answers but we are getting there. Like Dawkins said, we must be humble. Christians on the other hand will use the god-of-the-gaps fallacy. That is a problem.
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grn8r ::: Favorites  2007-12-04 17:09:31

Of course they are. Don't they seem incomplete without each other. Pretty one-sided and not well rounded. Incapable of being seperate. You say they're oil and water. I say they're peanut butter and jelly (for lack of a better combination at the moment:) ).
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kubush ::: Favorites  2007-12-04 17:08:37

Science doesnt have all the answers but that is what its trying to accomplish, unlike faith. Faith doesnt provide answers to anything. It is just an emotional crutch for people to use in tough times. And there is a BIG discrepancy between evolution and the belief in the God of Abraham. If you ever picked up a bible you would realize that very quickly.
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kubush ::: Favorites  2007-12-04 16:59:57

We put our trust(not faith) in science and scientists because it is inherently nuetral and has shown time and again that it can be trusted and bring forth useful applications in the real world...unlike religion.
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kubush ::: Favorites  2007-12-04 16:59:49

Creationism and the generic belief in god are two very distinct things. Creationists believe in things that can be verified in the past and have shown to be contrary to what the bible literalist would expect (ie Great Flood). And if it is all just based of faith then why do they say that god can be proven through evidence?
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grn8r ::: Favorites  2007-12-04 16:38:43

I don't think that saying "goddidit" is really an attempt at excaping the situation. A creationist viewpoint is one of faith, for obvious reasons (we can't prove God's existance). At the same, there is faith in science as well: can we trust what we see? and are we interpreting evidence correctly? Those may have obvious answers too, but philosophers have debated our very existance. These arguments too can be denied and called outrageous, but are theresome things that just aren't explainable?
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mattjamie ::: Favorites  2007-12-04 10:59:49

SOME Christians believe in the 6 day creation. Not all do (me for one) but that doesn't negate the story in genesis, which is in my view not intended as a scientific historical but as a "story" describing the beginnings. Fundamentally science will not be able to say where the first matter from which the big bang started came from. Nor can a Christian say where God came from. Both would say they've always been there... But that's a whole other subject.
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mattjamie ::: Favorites  2007-12-04 10:57:55

The point I was making still stands - Science doesn't have all the answers and neither do those with a faith, and neither needs to try convince the other of their correctness. There doesn't have 2 b a discrepancy between evolution and belief in God -- they aren't mutually exclusive. The opinions of the scientific community (of which I am one, having a Batchelor of Science degree in Biomedical sciences and several years research experience) are always changing...
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